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Has anyone had any dealings or know about with Von schiedel English Mastiffs or Carole Pope? I made the mistake of using her stud service.

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Oh dear. It sounds like you have a story to tell. Here's a link to another reputable Mastiff breeders chat board. I think you'll get the picture really quickly. Please let us know what happened. We really do try to help people not get ripped off AND how to look for reputable breeders to align with.

 

http://mastiffmessageboard.websitetoolbox.com/post/Von-Schiedels-Mastiffs-4920744?highlight=schiedel


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I just read on FB that she is using someone else's pictures and saying they are her dogs!


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From Jann's board:

I hate to say this I had never thought to look up on a message board about her. But I wish I did. I was unfortune enough to get involved with her for stud service. She starts off being really knowledgeable & helpful & then changes. I have never used a stud before, only my own but decided to this time. She wasnt my first choice but was the only one close to me who contacted me. She is sneaky, tries to pressure you, then threatens you to give her more puppies. States she will not sign AKC papers. I had a litter of puppies on January 13th. She insisted she pick up her 2 pick of the litter & did when they were 24hours old. She said that since my dog had a c-section if I let the puppies continue to nurse I will kill the whole litter. She has said sooo much more too, but now she is refusing to register the puppies.

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It's my picture she stole. I've been dealing with her all day. What a piece of work she is. Her website is full of outright falsehoods and she is just offensively ignorant.

 I'm sorry you were conned by her. I hope the fact that you've gone public will prevent someone else from making the same mistakes.

 

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I'm sorry that had to happen to both of you. I guess I'll pin this thread to warn people too. Good GRIEF how many people are not honest in this world!!?


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Well, apparently, Teresa, we need to start a LIST... far too many people who don't give a damn about who they lie, cheat or steal from.


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Well, that's kinda my point in posting on this kind of thing. There needs to be an avenue to alert people.


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I gave her a 750.00 deposit 16 months ago and never received a dog...I wish I would have known about her then!! While waiting on the pup I also donated 1k to her non profit...huge scam!!
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I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm posting these names in the hopes that people with google before they buy and it will help people get a heads up about these kinds of people. I will not post if I don't confirmed reports and usually from several people. Please pass the word around and remind people to try googling thier breeding before putting a dime down.

 

Oh, and btw, please report her to her local BBB and file a complaint with the Attorney General of her state. Also, file a complaint on the nonprofit with both the Attorney General.


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I am so sorry for those that have been scammed.    I see the website is disabled for now for the person that goes by Fawn River Mastiffs.   As you do a search for Legacy or Fawn River, they do ask for reviews at some sites she maybe listed with.  Fill out the reviews so as others that also do a search can read your reviews from these kennels so they see what has happened to you. 


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To follow is a copy of the email I wrote to Teresa upon notice of this forums discussion about my line Von Schiedel's English Mastiffs. Her response as well as factual attachments .

Carole: A Mutual friend sent me your forum links on a page you built just for me. I read the bandwagon of slanderous comments. New to this I further looked at some of the other topics, to find this as the very next topic.

Teresa: Okay guys, I realize each of you want to state your story here. I'll be happy to allow it as soon as I hear the "other side" of the story. I'm giving the person in question the chance to defend herself before "freeing up" the post. Please be patient with me as I don't want anyone unjustly accused. We knew Angie Fish and Dreamquest had their issues, but I'm waiting to hear from the "alleged" person before I allow the post to go up about her. I'm NOT trying to stifle the truth, I PROMISE!

Carole: Based on what ever was going on here, (I did not take the time to further fall into the high school drama) when i read this last paragraph I got the impression you were usually a fair person.
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Carole: Even as far as, your signature at first glance, you seem like a person who would do the right thing.
 
Not one person who slandered and tore apart myself, my dogs, or my site offered to inquire about any truths to the allegations, face me, meet me, do business, or ask for references etc etc. (mind you I'm not a sight builder, never claimed to be, but no ones offered to help an old girl with no experience in web page building lmao) 
 
What is Right or Fair about this?
 
I have Dawn Powell come to breed my stud, knowing I take $6500.00 cash only! (my high prices are for a reason if any of the onlookers care to know why they are welcome to call and id be happy to spend hours on the phone with them as I do all my customers. Dawn hands me $210.00 after our dogs lock and says well I guess ill have to pay you the rest out of pups. Therefore we wrote up a contract, She signed a contract I would be happy to post for all to see, how she had to pay bills and buy supplies with her credit card, just to be able to take her dog home, for the amount of $1500.00 total, as well as the videos and conversations between us. The contract clearly states per AKC recommendation, (they advised how to cover my behind in this obvious scam) (They have red flagged her liter it will not be registered until she pays) what is necessary to have the liter registered per stud owner sign off. Signed and initialed in numerous places by Dawn Powell. However, I have yet to see Dawn Powell comply with anything at all she agreed to. 2 sellable pups as the final payment eligible to be sold for limited rights at the rate of 2500.00 each. She has 5 puppies that will not get registered, until she pays her stud service.
 
That's the facts sister, Happy to Share physical evidence. This whole bit of scuttle but is highly unprofessional. I would appreciate you removing the slanderous thread. I am truly thankful for your timely action and that I have been blessed, to have avoided such a crew of out standing honest fair people such as yourselves in the 35 years I have been breeding.
 
Thanks for being kind gentle honest and fair.

Teresa: Dear Ma'am,
    You are welcome to post your reply to the board. As far as your website skills, I also never built a website until recently. Personally, the website itself is not a make it or break it deal. We all have our different skill sets and the look of a website isn't important to me personally. There are many other things that make you a very large red flag to reputable breeders. Your stud dog fees for the quality of your dogs is crazy expensive.  Claiming "champion" bloodlines (how far back?) and health testing (none listed on OFA) is dishonest. You are charging unfair prices and are gouging new comers.  If I had time, I'm sure I could come up with all the other red flags that I remember seeing on your sight, but I don't have time at the moment. Yes, I am very honest and yes, I will gladly let people post their experiences so others don't get burned. If you were the victim, them post away. If she was the victim, then she's free to post. Most Sincerely, Teresa McMahan

Carole: Due to no other option then to be pulled into this drama, I will start posting documents to come.. to prove who the real victom is. AS soon as I figure out how to attach it. In the mean time, those of you so concerned about my line and my health testing. Prelims have been done my stock, at my previous employers, however as a RVT retired, it is in my personal experience, and professional opinion, that if you test a large breed dog in the middle of a growth spurt (every 3 months) you are likely to get a false reading, since a growth spurt is in fact stretching tendons and ligaments. Therfore When my dogs are fully matured no sooner then 5 years old their official x-rays will be sent to OFA, in the mean time my Studs Sire and offspring can be found under Van Houtens Flying Dutchman Rebel's Sire AKC #WS0863150 Microchip #AVID087093855
DNA Profile # V335189 D.O.B. April 30, 2004 Height 37" Weight 220#, our other
history and ancestry can be scene on our web page. crappy as it is, at least the info is there, if you look, or call to get help with navigating such poorly developed page

If my stock is to high priced, you do not have to contract to pay for it, shop elsewere.
If my stock was not great. Why would Dawn Powell or over 300 in 35 years want a part of it? Maybe the newcomers need to be educated by reading the akc standards etc. and the old timers, not covet thy neighbor.

NOw any advise as to how to upload this contract, i have now put in jpeg form?
 

 
 
 
 


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Notes on Contractual Default by Dawn Powell

Section 1.

A.     A.  AS you can see the strange form of deposit payment, this is the results in Dawn Powell bringing her female “Lexi” to breed to our stud “Rebel” with promises of at least ½ the $3250.00 deposit. She arrived with $120.00 dollars. Against my better Judgment I choose to work with her form of payment, however this was our first experience with deception. Due to this the contractual agreement for stud service was revised.

B.      B. Very first criteria of this contract was the dog was to c section with breeders vet, so we could ensure all fluids were drained from the puppies lungs completely to avoid pneumonia in the pups. With this breed suctions with a syringe or ball is seldom sufficient. Based on Doc Wilson and my experience in this area, (most vets’ lack of experience with this breed) it is necessary for any bitch bred to our studs to whelp or c section with us. AS stated in Section 1 and Initialed by Dawn. Dawn and I spoke daily towards the end of her pregnancy and no signs of Braxton hicks were spoken of as of Thursday the 12th . Repeated attempts to contact Dawn on Friday the 13th with no answer. Dawn choose to take “Lexi” to her vet as soon as she showed signs of contractions. It is my opinion that these were Braxton hicks, so the pups were taken by c section pre mature and fluids were not removed properly in all pups. Dawn made no effort to cancel appointment with scheduled vet. She no call no showed a half day scheduled appointment.

C.      c. Dawn made no attempt to make a call to contact me to inform me of said procedure. I found out via face book 24 hours later.

D.     D.  When a c section is the procedure of birth it is inevitable for infection to set in the mothers uterus, causing mastitis’s (poisonous milk for pups) Sometimes antibiotics the mom is sufficient however it is our choice, as the breeder, not to let the pups nurse other then maybe 1 or 2 feedings of colostrums (pending what the c section shows) and then bottle feed, in hopes of keeping pups from dyeing a painful death of poisoning. Often not scene until too late and commonly called “fading puppy syndrome.” Well known with Mastiff Breeders. This was expressed repeatedly orally as well as in writing with Dawn. Yet she made no effort to contact breeders vet or breeder, upon signs of contractions or the pre mature birth of the pups.

E.       E. AS soon as I found out from face book of the premature delivery. I made the 8 hour round trip to pick up my 3 pups, per her refusal to deliver them.  Upon my arrival I was informed she was allowing the pups to be with mom and they were being monitored, yet 1 of the 8 had already been laid on. (Another reason we whelp the pups, the mother would not have been with the pups at all, saving that un necessary death.) I Found 7 out of the 8 born, in week conditions, dehydrated, emaciated and showing signs of poisoning (bright red feet and noses, to choose from, having no idea whether they had been laid on. Evidence of fluid was in each of their lungs as they all had gurgles, as they would take a breath, or what color they would even be.  (Per contractual agreement no one would have made their picks until after the first 3 weeks of puppy issues were survived here at our address.) Despite antibiotics, Sub q fluids and round the clock care the 2 pups died full of infection before they reached 2 weeks of age. Section 1 Clarifies “PUPS to be Sold as payment” Video and Photo Documentation of dead pups available per your request.   Dawn has requested necropsy and dna tests per her expense with her vet. I will be happy to release the pups to my vet for those services paid for by Dawn Powell.              

F.     F.  I was also informed upon my arrival, that I would be paid 2 pups instead of 3 or 4 since DAwn would be keeping the liter to train and market and she whelped them herself.  I had already spent 26 hours of my time on the phone with customers who wanted pups from the breeding, based on my Studs reputation and they were ready to send deposits.  I made 5 different attempts to get her information, for said deposits to be made by customers and she refused to accept. Therefore she would not be giving me the 3rd pup for marketing per our contractual agreement.  At this point, I’m praying I can keep the 2 she will give me alive. When we left she advised the pups had just finished a feeding. I immediately fed 30 mls to each pup, they were starving. Most 24 hour old pups don’t eat more than 10 mls each feeding.

Section 2.

Upon picking up Lexi , Dawn did not have the $210.00 kenneling fees agreed to.

 

Section 3

Liter belongs to stud owner until paid in full speaks for itself and is very specific.

 

Section4

Clearly states no stud report will be signed until complete compliance of contract is proven and puppy homes are approved by me the breeder

 

Section 5

Proof of conception was not ever received from her or her vet as required per contractual agreement, other than a photo of Lexi in the 7th week of her pregnancy

 

Section 6

No call NO Show to the vet of scheduled c section (Dawn had 3 days to cancel) cost him half a day of revenue. He could have scheduled other surgeries, should have been paid by Dawn. $85.00 in antibiotics for 2 sick puppies is due the breeder per this section. This is not including fees for formula, pedialite and sub q fluids that technically should be Dawn’s expense as well.

 

Section 7

Initialed by Dawn that she understood the terms, Self explanatory, no AKC Stud sign off until said contractual agreement has been met.Final Signature as well as Initials’ indicates Dawn is well aware of what she needs to do to get her liter registered.

Closing…

At this point with all the deception on Dawns part I see the only solution is for her to deliver 2 pups and pay the remainder of her bill, Give AKC and myself written promissory, a document promising the full right registration papers sent directly form AKC to me, for the said 2 pups payment, she delivers as well as other cash payments.

Upon the time the contractual agreement is met, I will be happy to sign the studs report.


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Ok critics, links 2 post back, to view contract, fit to form DAwn Powells request. As you see I bent over back words to help her get started, despite her misleading me on the agreed deposit of $3250.00 she still only paid $1500.00 via credit cards paying bills and buying supplies. would any of you do that for your buyers? Also itemized documentation of her default. AKC recomendation letter with notice of red flagging Dawn Powell, Videos of our transaction from my servelance cameras and videos of sick emaciated 24 hour old pups to follow.
AS the facts have been put in front of you, maybe some of you should pull your feet out of your mouth. Thanks to all for your fair judgement,since you feel it is your job. Well Done!


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There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
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Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.
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