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Sumosmom

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Hi and thank you for adding me to the group.. We get to bring our new Neoploitan mastiff puppy home in about 4 weeks. So in the mean time we are getting everything ready for him., When at the pet store the other night I was blown away with all the different foods
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Welcome aboard!
We pretty much fed our puppy what she had been fed before she came to live with us.
We switched her to FROMM four star - Salmon Ala Veg around 5 months old. No puppy chow or puppy food as we wanted her to grow slowly and be strong and healthy [smile]
It worked for us - she is almost nine now!

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Yep, use what the breeder fed in the beginning and after a month I switch.  I wait a little while so the dog can get adjusted and if anything happens, you know it is not the food.

I did use a large breed puppy food but it was not your typical puppy food; it just had lower amounts of calcium and phosphorus.  Other than that it is identical to the non-puppy formula.
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Thank you both for the reply.. Right now the breeder has him on Pedigree puppy. But if there is a food that is better quality and will provide more nutrition to him I would gladly slowly switch him over .. His going to be a big boy obviously so I want to provide him with the right stuff from the get go .. He has a great breeder who send me updates and pics and his growing like a weed ... I can't wait to get him
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Post some photos if you can. Would love to see what he looks like.
Oh and when you decide on food, check to see if that brand has been recalled. I can vouch for FROMM, never had one in our 9 years [smile]

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That is a great idea about checking for recalls, thank you for that tip.. Here he is , I'm so in love with him

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OMG! Super cute. Love his name. I have to look back at photos to remember!
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Thank you so much, isn't it crazy how quick they grow.. With the way his growing we figured the name Sumo would be perfect for him lol
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Perfect name [smile]
Our baby is the one in The Princess Finds Her Throne
You can see her phases of growth. We had so much fun with her. Who says Big Dogs can't have fun!?

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She is Beautiful and her coat is so shiny. I love all the jackets you have for her. I love how she was so tiny on her throne at first and now she is way to big for it lol..
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I've been happy with Nature's Variety.  I had a dog on the raw food and on the kibble.  Right now my two are on the kibble....raw is very expensive.  If I had to feed both of them raw, I'd be broke.

Recalls on Nature's Variety have been rare.  I think there was one for the raw food last year.  Raw while simplistic in nature is not that simple to make.  Human grade food is cooked...not the case with a raw diet in a dog.  Anyway, I have been feeding Gus Nature's Variety since I rescued him nearly three years ago and Elizabeth for 18 months (since I brought her home).  I switched both slowly.  I went through two bags on what they were on before.  The first bag was just that food and when you get about 1/3 of the way in to the second bag, I started to add some of the Nature's Variety in.  First just 25% and did that for a little while and then 50%, then 75% for a little while and when the old food was gone, then they were at 100%.

Whatever brand you decide on, make sure you can readily get it.  I would also strongly urge you to always keep around a bag on-hand.  That is what I do just in case something happens.  If say there is a formulation change or that particular food is cancelled or hard to get, if you don't have a bag on hand, switching can well be messy.  Each of my dogs are on a different food and I have two full bags for one (the open bag is almost gone) and one full bag for the other (the open bag is almost gone) but I have another bag coming.

I had a dog on the Innova in the past and after they were bought by a large dog food maker issues started.  They had a recall, so if you had a bag on-hand that was not included in the recall, you have something to feed with and possibly switch to another brand slowly.  Also, since I run through a bag of food every three to four weeks, if there is a recall, it could be on a bag I have yet to open.  My method, I let others use the food first so if there is an issue, it could be reported before I even get to that bag.
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That's a great idea about having a extra bag on hand .. I'm going to do that for sure as you never know when a recall can happen. I was actually reading about the raw diet last night, I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet. Or maybe I will cook some and maybe add with the food. I'm not 100% sure yet. I know I need to hurry up and decide
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Raw is not cheap.  Human grade food is not what you want to use.  I know some that do raw and use a food co-op.  That food is for human consumption and is expected to be cooked.  I was spending over $500 a month on raw food for one dog...she even had her own freezer to store it in.  A case would last 15-days and I always wanted to have at least half a case to a full case on hand, so I could have two boxes of raw food on hand.

I would be very cautious about raw food in terms of where you get it.  Do the big box stores carry it?  They sure do, but here is something to ponder.  Some/many there might just view it as a job.  When the raw food came in, was it immediately put in the freezer or did it sit on the hot loading dock?  Is the food rotated?  I bought the raw from a locally owned store and the owner was there everyday.  When the delivery was made, the food came out of the refrigerated truck frozen and went straight to her freezer.  I would pick the food up within a day or so.

Every night I would get a plate out and food for the following day; get the patties out of the freezer and put on the plate and in the refrigerator for the two meals the following day.  If I forgot, it would take a little time to thaw them out but granite covered by a piece of wax paper would help thaw them pretty quick though.  The biggest issue, if you travel at all.  Taking raw food with you is not that easy.

I did raw because of a necessity.  Kibble is leaps and bounds easier.

As for cooking some and adding it to the food.  Once you start, you probably won't be able to stop.  Anyone that says a hungry dog will eat....I dare them to say that about mine.  The raw necessity previously mentioned, I had a dog (Catherine) that had a lot of health issues in her short life (you can read the threads on this site) and she lost over 20 pounds as she would go days without eating and when she did it wouldn't be much.  At the urging of the homeopathic vet and that of the local store I got the food, I tried raw.  She would eat at virtually every meal and hardly left anything behind.  One of the current dogs won't eat unless there is some canned food in it and just not any canned food, I have to switch it up every few days.  if I don't, he won't eat and will go for days without eating.  Given that I want him to eat, I do what is required.  The fosters started him on some canned food because he doesn't have much for teeth left and he got spoiled.  The puppy doesn't eat at times but she doesn't want canned food.  I tried that and that kept her from eating.  After almost two days I gave her food without any canned food on it and she ate the dry food.  Here is the kicker, she cannot wait to get to finish what Gus leaves behind in his bowl that has the canned food on it.  Go figure.

Growing up, we had a longhaired Chihuahua and the breeder fed them boiled chicken.  Well, she was spoiled to that and didn't want kibble when we got her home.  For the entire life of this dog, my mom had to boil chicken weekly for this dog to feed her over the course of the week.  Oh, she needed rice to go with the chicken as well.  So, don't start what you don't want to commit too for life.

Oh, I started with baked dog treats with Gus (the rescued dog) and well, at 6:30 (sometimes not even 6 yet) he wants his treat.  He doesn't let me forget at all.  So I can't give to one that the other doesn't get so the puppy also gets a baked dog treat.  So every Saturday I go and pick them up for the upcoming week.  This is something that I cannot stop at this point.

Also, at every meal both dogs get a tablespoon of organic pumpkin on their food.
http://www.petinsurance.com/healthzone/pet-articles/pet-health/Canned-Pumpkin-for-Dogs-and-Cats.aspx

I noticed at the foster place that his stool were just well, big, much bigger than what I had dealt with in the past.  His was well at least twice what Catherine had and she was bigger than he was.  They were formed but soft so not easy to clean up.  So, I knew his diet was one cause but couldn't switch him immediately.  I knew that pumpkin helped stool issues, so I gave him some with his food.  His stools quickly were more firm and once I switched his food, a lot smaller.  They are very formed these days and not soft and mushy at all.  It makes yard duty very easy.  They puppy also gets the pumpkin and she goes after it first, so I do a tablespoon and drizzle it over her food.  His is mixed with the canned food and stirred in with the kibble to coat it.  He won't eat a glob of pumpkin at all.  So two different dogs and two different methods.

Also, do not buy one of the dog food bins.  You need to wash them out after every bag.  I just use a super-duty large chip-clip to keep the bag closed and keep the food in the bag it came in.
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THANK YOU .. You have helped with making me picked between raw and kibble .. Kibble it is lol.. I have a heart condition that at any time can land me in the hospital and at times we have no idea for how long.. It could be 1 day it could be 2 weeks.. My husband and 2 older girls 15 and 19 are perfectly equipt to take care of Sumo but if it could be made a little easier with not having to prepar a raw diet than I will skip that. .. I hope that does not sound bad .. I will just find a great quality kibble for him.. With a great kibble do you still recommend puppy vitamins ?
It's funny I was reading an article last night and it was saying feeding raw cost less than kibble, I wonder what the heck he was feeding them lol..
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Most people do kibble, it is far easier.  If you do a prepared raw, it is not cheap.  If you go the co-op route, it is far cheaper.  While one thinks that if it is human grade food, that is great for a dog.  Some products for dogs state that it contains human grade food.  The baked dog treats I get every week are made from human grade components.  So they are edible...so if I wanted to snack on one I could.  However, when it comes to raw, human grade is not what is best.  Human grade chicken has the expectation that it will be cooked.  So lets just say there is some bacteria on the skin, but when you cook it, it gets killed.  The average price in December 2015 for whole chicken was $1.50 per pound.  I was feeding 40 ounces per day, so that would be about $4.50 per day using whole chickens.  I was paying around $40 per bag of the prepared raw and it was enough for almost 2.5 days; so it was roughly $16 per day on the prepared raw diet.

At $4.50 per day, that is $135 per month.  I can buy two bags of kibble for that.  So I really don't see raw being cheaper.

Raw is cheaper than prepared raw with a few caveats.
1) You are risking the health of your dog by using human grade raw food
2) It is not the same as the prepared raw
3) You are willing to take the time and effort to cut the raw food up so it can be fed to the dog.  I guess you could just drop a whole chicken in the bowl and let them have at it.  Very messy I would believe.

The prepared raw has bone that been ground up plus some vegetables.  They are trying to mimic say a dog eating an animal that it killed with some food left in the meals stomach.  The bone because the dog would eat some of the bones too.

Some will say that a dog cannot get salmonella.  I can prove that they can; Catherine was sick and the first vet did a test and it came back positive for salmonella.  The vet really didn't know what to do and was in touch with a specialty hospital.  The vet thought it would be best for me to take Catherine to the specialty hospital as they just couldn't believe a dog would be sick with salmonella.  They did a much more thorough test to look for a lot more things than the vet did.  The result came back for salmonella.  Catherine was put on a raw diet later in life and when I decided to go raw, I had to do a prepared food that is tested.  I could no do the co-op method that some use.  Plus getting five 8-ounce patties out per day is a lot easier than dealing with a whole chicken.
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