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what was the dose of the Allimed you gave him and who told you how much? Allicin can be toxic to dogs, hence why I ask.

 

When he was catherterized, how much urine did they get? If it was a large amount, then it most likely was NOT dehydration, for your kidneys will reabsorb fluids when dehydrated. Toro is eating and drinking fine, no N/V/D.

 

Right now he has bumps mainly on his neck, and a few down his back and sides....he didnt have any when he first started the chloramphenicol, they have been slowly popping up. Have not burst open though, just red raised bumps.On his feet, though, he is getting a lot of interdigital bumps that are rupturing with mainly sanguinous drainage, some serosanguinous.

 

How soon into the chloramphenicol did you see improvement? Did you see him get worse before he got better while on the chloramphenicol? What about the Zyvox, did he get worse before getting better?

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Abndogos,

Sorry I never got back to you..  I've done a lot of reading and yes from what I understand the onion/garlic family can be toxic; however, garlic is far less toxic than onions, and many homeopathic vets do recommended it, and mine does.  The matter is that you would have to give the amount of 2 large bags of garlic a day to a dog for it to be toxic levels.  I've had Camo's blood work done several time since he went on Allimed and his levels have always been perfect. 

When I was working on getting him well, he was on 1tsp x 2 daily.  Now as maintenance he gets 1/2tsp x 2 daily always with meals.  I worked with Cathy at Optimal Health USA to come up with a plan for Camo.  If I'm taking him out to show or outside his normal environment, I up his dosage to 1tsp x 2 daily as changes however good they are, are considered a stressor, even with a social butterfly like Camo.

http://optimalhealthusa.com/Allimed.html

With the Chloremphenecal I seen improvement in about a week to a week and a half.  Mind you, I just stopped seeing new bumps.  The pustules were so deep it took a while for them to heal completely. I don't think he got worse then got better on the Chloremephenacal, pretty earlier on, it at least stopped the progression.  With the Zyvox/Linezolid I did see much quicker results, and things dried up a lot quicker; however, he wasn't as nearly broke out when I started him on the Zyvox/Linezolid.  The Zymox spray is great if you have just a few bumps, but not for a full mass breakout.

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Hi Misty, thanks for replying. I have the pill form....can you look on the bottle and tell me how many milligrams per ml are in it? One pill is 450 mg of Allicin.

 

FYI, it was the chloramphenicol that caused the urinary retention....it was secondary to severe muscle weakness that the chloramphenicol can cause....so weak in his rear end he couldnt jump or lift his leg to pee or contract his bladder/urethral muscles either.

 

His last visit to the derm vet he was cultured free of any staph...but I think it may be returning a bit, there are a few scabs popping up on his torso. He has bad interdigital pyoderma though. I have started going to a holistic vet now. I will not do the chloramphenicol again after what he went through. I have been using Vetericyn VF topically also. So we shall see how this goes...Linezolid can also cause thrombocytopenia and other nasty side effects.

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Phoebe crashed today.mwe had the vet techs at the house to take blood and her results were very bad. They suspect Addison's and did a cortisol test as well...in the meantime, she was given 8 very painful shots of dexamethasone in what is left of her thigh muscles...her blood volume is so low the blood can only be collected from her neck. She still refuses to eat, her white blood cell count is up and this afternoon, she simply gave up. The vet asked us to wait 24 hours to see if the dex would help. She is at the vet,s this evening, on IV.
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Sorry but the label doesn't say as far as I can tell, it does say 450mg, but I think I'm missing something from the label.  I know when I was working on a dosage for Camo, it was more to go with the pill form than the liquid on the dosage.

 

Now what you explained about the urinary retention and the weakness in his rear is classic of what Camo had, and makes more sense, but my vet never made that correlation.  Camo was having a very hard time standing, and as you know he was having trouble urinating and had to be catheterized twice, and both times they got a large amount of fluid out of him.  However after going off the Chloramphenicol the symptoms resolved.


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yep, same here....once off the symptoms resolved....scared the hell outta me though, i truly though he was going to die cause I didnt know what was causing it. I kinda made the correlation and the vet agreed  . Who did you speak with that helped with the dosage, do you still have the #?

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Oh Judi...I'm so sorry she isn't doing well. Please let us know how she does in the next few hours. Hugs...


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Talk to Cathy and she can help you on the dosage.  You can leave a message and she'll call you back.

 

Judi,

 

I'm sorry to hear things are going this way.  I really wish we could have gotten together earlier, things could have been totally different.  I read your thread over on Jan's board, and it looks like this has been a bad progression. Please let me know if I can be of any help.


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I would like to thank you all for your help and advice. We lost Phoebe today at 5:30, 6 weeks short of 4th birthday. She began to shut down earlier today, developed a cough...her heart was weakened...and we made the terrible decision to say goodbye after 5 months of battling this disease and all the complications of two surgeries, due to the first one being improperly done. At least her pain is over...our hearts are broken...
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Oh Judi...I'm so sorry. My heart goes out to you. I wish you would have found us earlier in the course of Phoebe's infection. Big hugs.


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Oh Judi, I'm so very sorry for your loss. There just aren't words...


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Judi,

 

I'm sorry we couldn't be of help to you, I just wish we would have known much sooner. I know that you went above and beyond to help her. So very sorry for your loss!!

 

Hugs,

 

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When I initially started this thread it was really to enlighten people on something that is a clear and escalating health issue.  I would have never imagined how many people would be contacting me and Teresa regarding this issue.  Even before I finally got the nerve to out Camo and myself, I had a few people contacting me to give guidance and share knowledge.  I have 2 regrets about this post 1.) I wish I would have had the nerve earlier to stand up and share Camo's story and 2.) I wish I could be of more help.  I know I've given some good advice, but let's face it, MRSP is very scary, and I was very close to having to make the decision to put Camo down when he finally rallied.  Of all the pictures I've seen of MRSP/MRSA patients, I've never seen one with as much coverage as Camo had and survived.  I know Camo was lucky, and I count my blessings every day that he's still here with me because to me, the sun does shine brighter because he's alive.

I wish everyone the best with their babies health, and I will be here to help however I can.

Also, Anna Mae contacted me a few days ago, and there will be a new study coming out regarding MRSP/MRSA dogs, so I'll keep everyone up to date that would like their dogs to participate in the study.

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well, the MRSI is back....a few weeks ago he had all bumped out, took him to the vet, cultured him and it was NOT MRSI and was at susceptible to Cephalexin, so put him on it and it got better for a short time, took him again last week for another culture since more bumps were popping up and got the results today and again MRSI....trying to get a vet to write a script for Zyvox is like pulling teeth and I am getting really pissed about it. One of the derm vets I had taken him to last time was telling me it is unethical to use a last resort human drug on a dog(WTF???!!!)Screw you, this is MY DOG you are talking about! I'll keep him on the cephalexin until i can get it since he reacted so badly to the chloramphenicol. What was the total duration that you had Camo on the LInezolid? Did they tell you what the dosaging is for dogs(amount per pound?) Toro is only 98lbs compared to Camo I think you said was like 200lb?

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Well, first of all you can tell you vet that he's an idiot! Yes, Linezolid is the only oral form for MRSA in humans, but IV, there's Vancomycin. We do the Vanco outpatient quite often.

 

It's not uncommon for the MRSA (MRSI) type infections to recur. They often go into hiding in the nasal cavity, ear canal and rectal area. As a rule, they pop back out when the immune system is weakened. If I were you, I'd put your baby on the immune busters than both Misty and Lance have tried. I'm doing that with Sahara even though her issue isn't MRSI.


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